He is simply one of the best.
With my first ‘attempt’ at comedy in 2010, I met David
“Deacon” Gray, veteran comedian and New
Talent Coordinator at Comedy Works. We’d actually been introduced online
through a mutual friend because we’re all from Oklahoma, but with the face to
face acquaintance, I realized why they called him Deacon. A preacher’s brother, his kindness and guidance are
treasures, especially in the comedy business. Humbly and with consummate
professionalism, he offers pointers to his flock. For instance, he stresses to
newcomers the need to say or do something to help the audience like them
immediately when they take the mike.
Now writer friends, doesn’t that sound familiar? Hook the
reader on page one. Create a character with whom the bookworm can identify and
admire. Funny how entertainment and
arts have these techniques in common.
Speaking of scribing, Deacon has a Bachelor’s of Arts in Journalism with an English minor from
Oklahoma University and it shows. An author can listen to his hilarious act and
detect attention to word choice, brevity (the old less is more rule),
elaboration if needed, and of course that old literary device: irony. Just listen
to how sharp and fresh his performance is.
He is an inspiration to watch and I’m glad I know him.
Honestly, I get a little star-struck around him.
Welcome to Chiseled in Rock, Deacon!
CIR: I’ve been dying to ask you this: Have you ever pursued
publication?
DG: The short answer is no, I’ve never submitted anything
I’ve written to a publisher.
The only experiences I’ve had that might be similar involve
self-publishing. Growing up in Oklahoma gave me a strong DIY streak: I learned
to make my own fun. So, for three years immediately after college (1991-94), I published
a zine in Norman, Oklahoma. It was named the Oklahoma Comic Review, and featured comic strips, political
cartoons, puzzles, and, yes, a monthly column by me. Usually it was just new
jokes I wanted to try out, but sometimes I would write a column in character. I
remember one column was supposedly written by the Review’s plumber.
Then, in 2003-04, I published a couple issues of a smaller
zine called Gray’s Journal, which was
really just an excuse to print the pieces in my notebook that were too long or
too weird for the stage. One was a happy alternate ending to Shirley Jackson’s The Lottery. Another was an intervention
for a man who said, “wassup” too often. I think the longest piece was three
pages. That might be the closest I’ve come to writing and publishing prose.
CIR: A common tool used in prose and stand-up is the simile.
It seems the more I try to come up with a good one, the worse it gets regardless
of whether it’s meant for profundity or wit. Are they best from you a la
seat-of-the-pants?
DG: To me and my
way of communicating, simile and metaphor are absolutely critical.
So much of what we do as comedians is getting people to
shift their perspective, to see something routine from a different
point-of-view. And there are times when the ideas we are trying to convey might
be too sublime, too blunt, too odd, or too much of a stretch to state simply. Metaphors act as verbal ambassadors and
provide the audience/reader with a touchstone with which they can get to the
ideas more easily or more elegantly.
For instance, there’s a huge distance between saying,
“Donald Trump is a racist,” or saying, “Donald Trump is your racist uncle.” The
first idea is too on-the-nose, too politically charged, and too open for
interpretation (i.e. too broad). The audience is left only with the choices of
agreeing or disagreeing, usually based on their prior experience and opinions
or what they think the comic means by ‘racist.’ It’s not likely that you will
change anybody’s mind with the first statement.
But by employing a metaphor, the second idea is softened,
personalized, and makes it easier for the audience to identify and understand. Everybody
has a racist family member, so that communal idea provides a step to what you
are trying to communicate about Trump. And, most importantly, that step makes
it more likely that the audience will accept the shift in POV.
CIR: When writing a joke, do you follow a method, or jot
down something that strikes you as humorous, maybe both?
DG: I don’t have a method, unless endless repetition and
rewriting counts as a method.
In most cases, an idea will occur to me, usually provoked by
something I’ve seen, read, or heard. Sometimes the idea will present itself in
complete joke form, but usually I just pick up on something about the idea that
I find absurd or ironic or grandiose. Then it’s up to me to cast it in joke
form.
For instance, I looked at my notes from last night, and I
had written this: erotic novelties. I saw that on a sign on Santa Fe last
night, and something about the word ‘novelties’ clanged in my ear. It’s not a
joke yet, but I can see the premise in my mind: is there anything truly ‘novel’
about what they sell in that store? What would it take to catch me by surprise?
The next step will be to write it out in joke form, and see
if I can refine it to match my voice. Then I will try it on a stage somewhere.
CIR: Do you test a bit with anyone to see if it might ‘push
the limits’? The reason I ask is I’ve never heard you perform anything that
rubbed the audience the wrong way.
DG: I think part of my personal maturation as a comedy
writer was discovering that I could be subversive without poking somebody in
the eye. As a young comic, I had plenty of material that was edgy and
provocative. And that material worked fine… for a particular crowd. Anyone
outside of that small group usually saw it as heavy-handed, obvious, and
self-righteous. ‘Oh, you’re in college and you think war is bad? Didn’t see
that coming.’ There was no surprise in those jokes; no revelation.
At some point, I switched to a sugar-pill approach. The idea
now is to slip difficult ideas into bubbly material so that the audience
doesn’t see it coming. I think that’s a thousand times more subversive, and
also provides for bigger laughs because the audience is surprised. One of my
biggest joys is making an audience laugh at a difficult idea with a light
presentation. That way there’s irony in both the words and the performance.
Here’s a recent joke that might help illustrate the idea.
“My parents were Baby Boomers, so that makes me Generation
X.
Now we’re into the Millennials, and, after that, is the
Probably Fucked’s.
Then the What Did You Do To The Planet’s.
And then the Ooo We’re Thirsty’s.”
Didn’t see that environmental message coming, did you?
CIR: How important is it to cultivate following online?
Probably like comedians, writers, who often tend to be introverted, are
constantly nagged by agents to do so.
DG: It’s important if you are looking for commercial
success. Like it or not, most consumers do their shopping online now, and
social media drives people to your product. Also, a good online example of what
you do can often lead to more work. I’ve been booked for gigs off of videos I
have posted online. And there are lots of stories of comedy writers who got job
interviews based on their Twitter presence.
CIR: Did you always know that comedy was your calling?
DG: I always knew I wanted to write and perform comedy, but
I didn’t know that it was possible to make a living doing it. I grew up very
sheltered in Oklahoma in the 70’s. The idea of being a stand-up comedian was
about as likely as running off with the circus.
I remember the first time I was booked in the comedy club in
Oklahoma City (in 1986). The booker gave me the dates, the number of shows, the
comics I would be working with, and then offered me $250. That stunned me. I
had never been paid for doing any kind of performance.
CIR: From my point of view, your job as coordinator must be
difficult. With the tons of comedians in Denver wanting their shot, I think
you’re constantly queried—almost like a literary agent. What do you do to shut
down?
DG: The most difficult part of my job is the reality of the
occupation: many are called and few will make it. Almost all of the young
comedians believe they are only one good set away from a big break that will
lead to their own Comedy Central series. But the reality is that stand-up is a
difficult job that requires a lot of work, luck, and discipline to survive.
Out of a hundred comics, only ten have the talent and skills
to succeed. Of those ten, seven will quit. The remaining three will have a
career, but only one will get any fame, and that fame only lasts a second.
So, with those odds, it’s wildly important that you love
what you do. My happiest day in comedy was the day I stopped chasing fame and
started writing comedy that was true to me. And, ironically, that was when I first
started having some success in the business.
When you love what you do, you never shut down. I spend my
time away from comedy thinking of ways to produce more comedy. If I went to the
beach, I would just think of jokes about the beach.
CIR: Thank you, Deacon!
Friend him. Follow him. Buy his CD. Catch his standup when
you can. You too, will be hailing his
humor.
Gusto Dave
1 comment:
Fun clip and interview...CO prominently featured... like him and his circuitous way of hitting points. Thanks for bringing him to my attention.
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